sarda rules 2009

sam wrote:You might as well give up racing if you don't have brushless then, brushed can't compete against these so called "equivalent" brushless motors, that's just wishfull thinking. This is going to stir things up drastically, what about at club level where the weekend racer can't afford a BL system???????/ I think it's short sighted decisions like these that chase people away. I already feel disadvantaged for next year's racing.

why you so negative the brushless equivalent is slower as we tested here on the weekend

if you want to be competeitive then you have to keep on the top of the game...
if your doing it for fun and you enjoy it then it shouldnt matter what system your running, it is unfortunate that the rules have gone the way they have but in the end they have been made.

1:10 4 eva wrote:

sam wrote:You might as well give up racing if you don't have brushless then, brushed can't compete against these so called "equivalent" brushless motors, that's just wishfull thinking. This is going to stir things up drastically, what about at club level where the weekend racer can't afford a BL system???????/ I think it's short sighted decisions like these that chase people away. I already feel disadvantaged for next year's racing.

why you so negative the brushless equivalent is slower as we tested here on the weekend

1:10 -If you did testing on the BL system with the right gearing, you would find that the BL system outperforms the brushed equivalent by miles. The BL system also draws less amps than the brushed, hence your runtime improves and you are able to charge your bats at higher rates. You need to go do some reading on the subject before making comments like that. Why do you think this hobby is going BL???? Because the brushed motors outperform the BL??? I think not bud.

it is perhaps a big jump right now but it was going to happen at some stage... makes all of our cars and setups a bit redundant though...

I tatally agree. I am a weekend racer, and I like to think a hard core one at it, not that I've got the experience to win yet,will never be the SA champ, but I would still like to be competitive and have a chance at winning the club trophy within a reasonable budget. Why race if you don't want to be competitive, you might as well ride your car up and down the road at home then. I race to be competitive because it's an adrenalin rush, if you are doing it just to ride, rather go home. Just my 5c.

But I am very interested to see how sarda handles this one, but we'll have to wait until next year to see the final rule changes because they take forever.

the superstock equivalent sarda uses is a 17.5 turn and believe it or not, it is slower than a s/stock motor. You can more than likely gear a stock motor to run with it. The motor we thought would be the s/stock is the 13.5 but they put that in place of the 19 turn.
If i had to race s/stock next year at national level and i am allowed to, I will use a brushed motor. What we do at club level is our choice, I think we have to keep in touch with sarda but shouldnt be puppits and lose people as a result.

I totally agree, going the brushless route will chase newbies away faster than you can blink. The setup costs to get into the hobby are already high, throw in a BL and it doubles automatically. We must stay in touch with sarda and the route the hobby is taking, but if the BL outperforms the brushed then at club level we will have to look at splitting it to make it fair. If you want to go to nats then you must be able to fork out the dosh to be competitive. The hobby needs to be realistic at club level to retain and grow the hobby.

By the way ray, how much does a 17.5t BL and a 13.5t BL system go for?? Would be interesting to compare apples with apples. I know the 3.5's & 4.5's go for R2k plus, surely the 17.5 & 13.5 will be cheaper?

dude it sucks, it is hectic expensive...

Raymond wrote:the superstock equivalent sarda uses is a 17.5 turn and believe it or not, it is slower than a s/stock motor. You can more than likely gear a stock motor to run with it. The motor we thought would be the s/stock is the 13.5 but they put that in place of the 19 turn.
If i had to race s/stock next year at national level and i am allowed to, I will use a brushed motor. What we do at club level is our choice, I think we have to keep in touch with sarda but shouldnt be puppits and lose people as a result.

thank you sam please read this

If it's basically the same, you wont see me riding BL unless I hit the lotto jackpot.

i will just stick to going side ways way less complicated. when i can afford to build a new car in the new year i will bo BL...

1:10 4 eva wrote:

Raymond wrote:the superstock equivalent sarda uses is a 17.5 turn and believe it or not, it is slower than a s/stock motor. You can more than likely gear a stock motor to run with it. The motor we thought would be the s/stock is the 13.5 but they put that in place of the 19 turn.
If i had to race s/stock next year at national level and i am allowed to, I will use a brushed motor. What we do at club level is our choice, I think we have to keep in touch with sarda but shouldnt be puppits and lose people as a result.

thank you sam please read this

Don't get ahead of yourself now. I still want to see it to believe it, as all the discussion on the other sa rc site say's different, and that's where I did my reading. Now you tell me which site I must believe, this excellent flegdling site with minimal eperienced rc'ers, or the other excellent dinosuar site which has way more experienced rc'ers??

Let me put it another way. At club level and at the nats in EL, the local mod guys were running similar rollouts to the superstock motors, which is in the region of 27 - 30mm rollouts. At the nat, Ashley took his BL system to the importer as it was not performing for whatever reason, but his car was still stupid fast nontheless. The importer reprogrammed his esc and told him to go up a few teeth, which he did. Went back to the importer to let him know what it did and what rollout he used, the importer told him to go up a few more teeth again and give it a try. This happened 3 or 4 times, he was eventually running close to if not over a 40mm rollout. So if that can be done with a 3.5t BL then you can stretch the rollout of a 17.5 just as much which would put the brushed motor at a huge disadvantage. But as I said, I want to see it to believe it. The first few nats of next year will tell the tale perfectly, then we can discuss it again.