TAMIYA TT01 Rules and motors

Raymond · Raymond on Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:46 pm

I would firstly like to tell everyone that the Tamiya TT01 class was started to offer an affordable race class and to be competitive without having to spend crazy money. In some ways we have succeeded and in others we have not. Some people spend hours working on their cars to improve the handling and clean and run in motors for optimal performance.
On just about every raceday people come to me and complain about someone's car that is to quick or someone keeps bumping them and therefor we had to take action to keep the majority of the people happy. The first step we took was to enforce the stop and go rule for people bumping others. Now I also have to admit that certain accidents were missed because one person's eyes can't be everywhere. For that I have to say sorry but it can't be helped.
The car and motor checking was a success and unfortunately some motors were found to be illegal because of to high rpms. We did our homework and decided that a 20% gain or 19000rpm would be the limit. That is high considering a standard motor only does about 16500rpm. I would just like to again mention that according to the TT01 rules, nothing can be done to the motor to enhance the performance of the motor. So for those who ran illegal motors on Sunday, the committee has decided that they will not be awarded any points for yesterday's racing.
Lets hope that those punished will see it in a positive light and we are only trying to level the playing field.
I would further like to thank Christo and Brad for helping with the motor checking since he was the best person to ask because he used to own the Dyno. If anyone has any queries, feel free to pm me and lets put a lid on this chapter.

vuka · vuka on Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:38 pm

well done to every one. unfortunately there was some illegal motors, I hoped that all the rumours would have been dismissed, but unfortunately not. Evil or Very Mad

Hopefully this will be the beginning of a new era which will have the racing even closer on a level playing field. cheers

Hope that this stops at tt01 and doesn't have to be repeated in other stock classes.It doesn't help saying I didn't know, there's lots of experience at the track and I don't think that any of them would mind giving advice, best to ask before you try anything and end up being illegal or wasting money.
Pitty this had to happen but now that it did lets hope everybody will move on and keep the spirit of r/c alive.

sam the man · sam the man on Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:59 pm

My suggestion is that all tt racers hand in their motors after race day, they get marked, checked for rpm's to make sure all similar in performence, then next race day you stick your hand in a bag and draw a motor which gets recorded and after evry race it gets checked that you using the same motor for the whole day. Same as the nats system, that way there can be no motors which are over revving giving an unfair advantage. Then once the race day is over the motors get handed back in till next race day when you get to lucky dip again. The only tuning alowed with these motors will be cleaning with motor spray and the bushings oiled.
I think thats fair to all? Maybe a tt only meeting should be called to sort everything out and to clear the air and to make a clear cut way forward for all.

JaY · JaY on Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:15 am

sam the man wrote:My suggestion is that all tt racers hand in their motors after race day, they get marked, checked for rpm's to make sure all similar in performence, then next race day you stick your hand in a bag and draw a motor which gets recorded and after evry race it gets checked that you using the same motor for the whole day. Same as the nats system, that way there can be no motors which are over revving giving an unfair advantage. Then once the race day is over the motors get handed back in till next race day when you get to lucky dip again. The only tuning alowed with these motors will be cleaning with motor spray and the bushings oiled.
I think thats fair to all? Maybe a tt only meeting should be called to sort everything out and to clear the air and to make a clear cut way forward for all.

I dont think that is neccessary.. I reckon the scutineering at the last raceday was perfect and all that is needed to happen after every final. and that the air is clear at the moment.. is it not?

vuka · vuka on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:40 am

I agree with Jay, We need to keep trust in our fellow racers, if someone is found cheating again, let him/her close the gate on their way out.
I believe that r/c has a decent following and sometimes natural competitiveness comes in the way of honour (a sad day when this happens to any person). Suspect

It is human nature to test any system, but I think that here the system won and if anyone was thinking of looping it again, (I guess the message that I got ) BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil

SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW, SOMEONE IS WATCHING. cyclops

Raymond · Raymond on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:45 am

from a personal capacity I feel the same way Vuka does. I think last raceday's scruiteneering must be seen as a warning to all. I have had a dozen mails and messages saying well done and there are people actually planning to make a return to racing now that something was done.
For those who are unhappy, I think you are unhappy for the wrong reasons. We will arrange a meeting for the tt01 competitors and we will find a way forward. Sam made some good suggestions so lets see what the majority wants.

sam the man · sam the man on Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:38 pm

A meeting with your peers in TT will clear everything up! You guys might think that all is fine on the forefront, but there are some disgruntled mails going around from some who weren't found to have illegal motors???? At a purpose specific meeting, the way forward can be voted upon as there are a number of different suggestions as to how things must be done and calls for transparency, of what I'm not to sure, but it has been asked for so it can be discussed. Then everybody concerned will know exactly where they stand and what is expected.

FusionBrad · FusionBrad on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:44 pm

the problem is there are too many people who are too quick to complain about the faster guys, and they think handout motors will help, but you can ask any of the people i have helped on race day, its about attention to detail and consistent laps.

ask nick if his car was quicker once we got rid of the play, ask jay if his car is quicker after taking 40cm of extra wire out, ask mike, who said he had tried anything but couldnt get quicker than a 28 how he is now running 26,200.

i think people need to ask for help instead of complaining. im up for the whole hand out motor thing but its a unnecessary inconvenience.why must i clean someone elses motor for them.
iv shared all i know about motors on this forum, if someone is too lazy to clean there motor after every race, they will not be as quick as me as i clean my motor after every race and change motors after every race day.

ask the slower guys what camber, toe,tweak, ride height and weight they running, if they do their bearings, use spacers to get ride of play, cut out all the extra wires, look after their batteries, rotate there tires, leave there tires in the sun to get some heat into them(especially on the last race of the day) what body they running, if they peak there batteries right, ask them how consistent their laps are if they put foam next to the battery to stop it sliding side to side. most of the guys dont even know if there car is oversteering or understeering, they see me come past them on the straights and dont understand i came out of the corner twice as fast as them.

if anyone is still complaining all i have to say is stop expecting us to get slower and start figuring out how to get quicker. that is racing

JaY · JaY on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:56 pm

sam the man wrote:A meeting with your peers in TT will clear everything up! You guys might think that all is fine on the forefront, but there are some disgruntled mails going around from some who weren't found to have illegal motors???? At a purpose specific meeting, the way forward can be voted upon as there are a number of different suggestions as to how things must be done and calls for transparency, of what I'm not to sure, but it has been asked for so it can be discussed. Then everybody concerned will know exactly where they stand and what is expected.

okay I was under the impression that the last raceday's scutineering would have cleared everything up. I have clearly misunderstood. Im all for a meeting, lets get it all out in the open.

ototw · ototw on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:52 pm

Fusion mooi man,you have stated the facts very clear to all,so julle stadige outjies shape up or shift out,hou net op om te moan.

sam the man · sam the man on Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:14 pm

Well, let us know what you guys want and we'll organise. Wink

FusionBrad · FusionBrad on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:24 pm

umbrella girls to turn on our cars at the last minute Twisted Evil

JaY · JaY on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:32 pm

FusionBrad wrote:umbrella girls to turn on our cars at the last minute

i 2nd that.. Twisted Evil

they can warm up my tyres anytime Very Happy

dt_insane · dt_insane on Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:09 am

FusionBrad wrote:umbrella girls to turn on our cars at the last minute

I would even make a return for that cheers

sam the man · sam the man on Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:58 pm

dt_insane wrote:
FusionBrad wrote:umbrella girls to turn on our cars at the last minute

I would even make a return for that

How many would you like????

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